Post by t***@optonline.netPost by Vic SmithOn Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:02:56 +0000 (UTC), "badgolferman"
Post by badgolfermanPost by Home GuyLook upon the mindless brains of your american children and understand
why as a nation you are destined for the toiletbowl as your conversion
from a libertarian republic to a federal authoritative dictatorship
happens before your very eyes.
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Miss Alabama answers a question about the NSA Prism program (Jun 16,
http://youtu.be/V8vXrqHurTc
Gov't tracking of phone records has been in the news lately. Is this
an invasion of privacy, or is it necessary to keep our country safe.
Why, or why not?
I think the society that we live in today its sad that if we go to the
movies or to the airport or even to the mall that we have to worry
about our safety, so I would rather someone track my telephone
messages and feel safe where-ever I go than feel like you're
encroaching on my privacy.
[Audience erupts in appause and cheers]
Well, at least she looks good!
She's hot. Gave the right answer too.
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The right answer? Whatever you think about what the NSA
is doing, what she said makes no sense. It's completely
contradictory. She first says that in an unsafe word, she's
OK with the govt tracking telephone messages. Then she
says she would rather feel safe than have someone
encroaching on her privacy.....
No, no. No contradiction. Not than *have* someone encroaching.
She said "than *feel* like you're encroaching..." IOW, she's going
to ignore any feelings of encroachment she might have and just feel
that the govt. is doing the right thing and that she's safe. We all
might as well feel that way, because worrying isn't going to help.
Unless one is going to demonstrate or something against the Prism?
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Yeah, reading it again, I can see that interpretation of what she
said,
but it's poorly stated. A better way of stating it would be that she
accepts that level of encroachment for the security she thinks
it provides. The fact that it's encroachment is a fact, whether
you feel it or not.
It's also interesting that the audience apparently thought it was
a great answer. Yet the polls I've seen tend to suggest that
the public is actually concerned about the intrusions. And a
lot of people think Townsend is some kind of hero. If there
were any doubts about that, what he just did should help
remove them. The Guardian just published another story
with info Townsend leaked. This time it's about how the
British govt, US govt have done intelligence intercepts on
world leaders, and other attendees at G8 summits.
Including tapping Putin's phone calls. Now what the
hell intercepting Putin's phone calls has to do with American
civil liberties is beyond
me. It's exactly what NSA, CIA etc are supposed to be
doing. And then he times it clearly to embarrass Obama
who is right now at the G8. And this skunk is supposed to
be a patriot? We can only wonder at what else he has
and how in the world security could be so lax that he
got all this stuff.
You also have to wonder about him going to China. If
he's so damned worried about civil liberties, what the
hell is he doing there? He's also already told the Chinese
of some of what the USA was doing with them. I wouldn't
be surprised that the little prick has been "helping" the
Chinese all along. It's like the Rosenberg's with the
A bomb secrets. They thought it was unfair for the US
to have an advantage over the Russians.
And maybe he thought the US was
on to him, so he decided to flee and make this grandstand
play. He's playing a dangerous game. The Chinese
for example, might decide to make him disappear or turn
up dead, especially if he is involved with them. They
cover their tracks and get the bonus of making a big
incident for the US, because people will suspect the US of doing it.
If you saw my other thread where I asked if someone's allowed to call
me back on the caller-id number, the guy at the community organization
seemed like he was about to cheer for this leaker, or at least
criticize the phone call gathering, but I interupted him and gave the
other pov, and he didn't try to argue.
I think we have to catch and prosecute this guy, because otherwise,
others think they can get away with it too.** But Bradley Manning
is worse. If BM had released only documents he read and thought
shouldn't be secret ,that would be one thing, but he couldn't have
read 500,000 docs, so he's publishing all this stuff he hasn't read.
**Well, in theory BM is worse but that's on the assumption the new
guy just had one point to make, that the NSA was collecting phone
calls. I guess in fact he's been claiming lots of other things,
incuding some members of the agencies say are not true, and those I
think could not possibly be true. Like his personal abitlity to tap
anyone's phone. He might have put orders through to tap a phone,
although I doubt it, but only after the log of all the phone calls
showed something, and some lawyer appeared before a judge and got a
warrant. maybe he's claiming he could take a valid warrant and
change the phone number and everyone would trust him that it was a
new, different, valid warrant. That sort of thing seems just as
likely for the last 100 years, or at leas since the copy machine, and
I think they must have ways to avoid it. In addition, he wouldn't get
to listen to the taps so what would be his motive. Just to annoy
someone he didn't like? There are always problems when dishonorable
people have important jobs.
I've wondered for years how come there have been no big attacks on the
US, in the US. When I heard about the NSA program, I thought that
might be one reason. Now they say it stopped 10 plots in the USA (and
40+ elsewhere) and I believe it and believe that answers the
wonderment I've had for the second half of the last 12 years.