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DHS Contracted to Purchase 704 Million Rounds of Ammo Over Next 4 Years: 2,500 Rounds Per Officer
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John Hardin
2014-02-20 13:59:53 UTC
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Does it make you americans warm and fuzzy when you go to sleep at night
knowing that your own gov't is buying enough ammo to kill each and every
one of you?

"As of October 2013, the DHS had a total amount of 159 million
ammunition rounds on hand in inventory (see p. 22 in report),
which when divided by the estimated number of DHS officers of
70,000, comes to about 2,271 rounds per agent."

Remember, DHS and NSA is making a list - who's naughty and who's nice.
There's a bullet or three for each of you naughty americans (which is
most of you).

"The appendix puts the contract ceiling cost at $285,356,645
for the 704,390,250 rounds of ammo."

And they're doing it with your own tax dollars. Nice - real nice.

Between Fatherland Security, the Dept. of Education, Department of the
Interior, Department of Justice, Health and Human Services, -
collectively they now have enough firepower to kill you civillians a
dozen times over.

So how's that "right to bear arms" workin out for ya?

Too bad the govt's right to arm itself to ridiculous levels comes first.

I guess FEMA is ready for the coming riots and carnage with their acres
and acres of portable coffins and resettlement camps.

Should be a fun turkey shoot to watch from up here. Take a good look at
what's happening in Ukraine, because that's coming to a town square near
you when your facade of an economy collapses.

Satan is ready - are you? (oh, no, wait - you're not. No bullets!)

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DHS Contracted to Purchase 704 Million Rounds of Ammo Over Next 4 Years:
2,500 Rounds Per Officer
February 19, 2014 - 3:54 PM


(CNSNews.com) -- The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is contracted
to purchase 704,390,250 rounds of ammunition over the next four years,
which is equal to a total of about 2,500 rounds per DHS agent per year,
according to a January 2014 Government Accountability Office (GAO)
report entitled Ammunition Purchases Have Declined Since 2009.

“If DHS were to purchase all 704 million rounds over the next four
years, and if they were used by 70,000 DHS agents and officers, it would
be roughly 2,500 rounds per agent per year,” David Maurer, author of the
GAO report, told CNSNews.com.

“That would be higher than what we saw in past years at DHS and higher
than the average annual number of rounds per agent or officer at the
Department of Justice (DOJ)," he said.

“The 704,390,250 number of rounds is like a ceiling or credit limit
which DHS wouldn’t have to fully execute,” said Maurer. “It’s there to
use over the next four years until fiscal year 2018, if DHS needed to
purchase those rounds.”

In Appendix III of the GAO report, “Department of Homeland Security
Ammunition Contracts, as of October 1, 2013,” it states that “the 29
existing DHS ammunition contracts extend over the next 4 fiscal years
and have a remaining contract limit of approximately 704 million rounds
(for various ammunition types) if every option for purchasing ammunition
were exercised into fiscal year 2018.”
DHS Contracted To Purchase 704 Million Rounds of Ammo Over Next 4 Years:
2,500 Rounds Per Officer

The appendix puts the contract ceiling cost at $285,356,645 for the
704,390,250 rounds of ammo.

As of October 2013, the DHS had a total amount of 159 million ammunition
rounds on hand in inventory (see p. 22 in report), which when divided by
the estimated number of DHS officers of 70,000, comes to about 2,271
rounds per agent.

To put these numbers in perspective, the report provides data on how
many rounds were actually bought and how many rounds would typically be
needed during training.

“We analyzed DHS data on ammunition purchases and the size of the
firearm-carrying workforce for fiscal years 2008 through 2013 and found
the average number of rounds of ammunition purchased per year per
firearm-carrying agent or officer by component for this time period
ranged between approximately 1,000 and 2,000 rounds,” said the report.

“This variation exists because each component independently decides,
based on its operational needs, how much ammunition to allocate to its
firearm-carrying personnel for training and qualification each year,”
said the report. “For example, FPS provides each officer 250 rounds per
quarter per handgun for firearm qualification, while ICE provides 100
rounds per quarter per handgun for firearm qualification.”

In fiscal year 2013, 900 rounds were bought per agent or officer at DHS
and 1,200 rounds were bought per agent or officer at DOJ.

“According to CBP [U.S. Customs and Border Protection] data, new Border
Patrol agents each use approximately 3,300 rounds during training and
qualification, compared with experienced officers who might use about
600 rounds," reads the report. "DHS components provided data on the
amount of ammunition typically used by a new law enforcement hire, which
ranged from 2,000 to 5,000 rounds."

“At both DHS and DOJ, federal law enforcement agents and officers are
authorized to carry firearms, and are required to train in their use and
pass certain firearms qualification standards,” reads the report.
“Firearms proficiency is a key component of an officer’s ability to
successfully fulfill the component’s mission and protect life and public
safety."

The report continues, "To help ensure the firearms proficiency of their
firearm-carrying workforce, these agencies purchase a variety of types
of ammunition for training, qualifications, and operational purposes.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/dhs-contracted-purchase-704-million-rounds-ammo-over-next-4-years-2500-rounds
Moe DeLoughan
2014-02-20 14:31:27 UTC
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Post by John Hardin
Does it make you americans warm and fuzzy when you go to sleep at night
knowing that your own gov't is buying enough ammo to kill each and every
one of you?
Do you feel stupid and gullible, knowing you've fallen for an urban
legend?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp

Time to up your medication. Your paranoia is out of control.
(PeteCresswell)
2014-02-20 14:38:07 UTC
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Post by Moe DeLoughan
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp
"A solicitation posted by the SSA on the FedBizOpps website asks for
contractors to supply 174,000 rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded
jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition."

The synopsis to the solicitation adds that the ammunition is to be
shipped to 41 locations within 60 days of purchase. A separate
spreadsheet lists those locations, which include the Social Security
headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland as well as major cities across the
country including Los Angeles, Detroit, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston,
Atlanta, Denver, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Seattle.

Hollow point bullets are designed to expand as they enter the body,
causing maximum damage by tearing apart internal organs.
Read more at
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp#EeCRDZpL2fSTAmm4.99"

I thought hollowpoint ammunition was illegal in the US... ??
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Pete Cresswell
Oren
2014-02-20 16:13:49 UTC
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Post by (PeteCresswell)
I thought hollowpoint ammunition was illegal in the US... ??
You may be thinking of Armor-piercing ammunition....then yes.

There is no federal law prohibiting HP rounds that I'm aware of. NJ
may have a partial ban on the, but I haven't checked.

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibits the use of
expanding bullets in international warfare.

"...The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets
which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with
a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced
with incisions. "

<http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp>
Chuck
2014-02-20 16:37:51 UTC
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Post by Oren
Post by (PeteCresswell)
I thought hollowpoint ammunition was illegal in the US... ??
You may be thinking of Armor-piercing ammunition....then yes.
There is no federal law prohibiting HP rounds that I'm aware of. NJ
may have a partial ban on the, but I haven't checked.
The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibits the use of
expanding bullets in international warfare.
"...The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets
which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with
a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced
with incisions. "
<http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp>
Do you suppose that all the bullets that the Obama team is buying are
being sent to Seria?


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Oren
2014-02-20 16:52:45 UTC
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Post by Chuck
Post by Oren
Post by (PeteCresswell)
I thought hollowpoint ammunition was illegal in the US... ??
You may be thinking of Armor-piercing ammunition....then yes.
There is no federal law prohibiting HP rounds that I'm aware of. NJ
may have a partial ban on the, but I haven't checked.
The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibits the use of
expanding bullets in international warfare.
"...The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets
which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with
a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced
with incisions. "
<http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp>
Do you suppose that all the bullets that the Obama team is buying are
being sent to Seria?
No. I do suspect Joe Biden had shotguns dropped in; each with its own
parachute, though.
Chuck
2014-02-20 16:41:21 UTC
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Post by Oren
Post by (PeteCresswell)
I thought hollowpoint ammunition was illegal in the US... ??
You may be thinking of Armor-piercing ammunition....then yes.
There is no federal law prohibiting HP rounds that I'm aware of. NJ
may have a partial ban on the, but I haven't checked.
The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibits the use of
expanding bullets in international warfare.
"...The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets
which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with
a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced
with incisions. "
<http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp>
Do you suppose that all the bullets that the Obama team is buying are
being sent to Syria? I read today that we are arming the "rebels"
with rockets and ammo. Did he ask Congress for permission?

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Chuck
2014-02-20 16:47:35 UTC
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Post by Oren
Post by (PeteCresswell)
I thought hollowpoint ammunition was illegal in the US... ??
You may be thinking of Armor-piercing ammunition....then yes.
There is no federal law prohibiting HP rounds that I'm aware of. NJ
may have a partial ban on the, but I haven't checked.
The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibits the use of
expanding bullets in international warfare.
"...The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets
which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with
a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced
with incisions. "
<http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp>
Maybe he is sending this ammo to Syria. I read today that we are sending
a bunch of ground to air rockets and ammo to the "rebels" that as I
recall are not really good guys. Has Congress approved of this action?

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Bert
2014-02-20 17:26:21 UTC
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Post by (PeteCresswell)
Hollow point bullets are designed to expand as they enter the body,
causing maximum damage by tearing apart internal organs.
No, they're designed to expand so as to expend their energy in the
target and not pass through it, avoiding possible injury to bystanders.
Post by (PeteCresswell)
I thought hollowpoint ammunition was illegal in the US... ??
Think again, and try for effect.
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Oren
2014-02-20 17:37:06 UTC
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Post by Bert
Post by (PeteCresswell)
Hollow point bullets are designed to expand as they enter the body,
causing maximum damage by tearing apart internal organs.
No, they're designed to expand so as to expend their energy in the
target and not pass through it, avoiding possible injury to bystanders.
... and if the happen to pass through, they won't go very far because
of the loss of energy and the expanded mushroom tip.

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